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The treating of birds as something "completely different" from other dinosaurs, that is. There is no magical "division" that makes avians fundamentally different from other dinosaurs in general any more than sauropods or ceratopsians are different from non-sauropod and non-ceratopsian dinosaurs. Even going only by superficial similarities, there's nothing that all non-avian dinosaurs share that they don't also share with avians. And deinonychosaurs (for example) are more similar to birds than to (for example) ceratopsians, so any group of related animals that includes both deinonychosaurs and ceratopsians must also include birds. To say otherwise is ridiculous. Besides, no one has the slightest problem with bats and whales both being mammals. The only way you could even come close to logically arguing that birds aren't dinosaurs is to make a case for birds not being of dinosaurian origin, period, but at this point you're more or less out of luck with that, too. Birds are dinosaurs. Fact. It's not any stranger than bats being mammals. There isn't a difference.

I've talked about this (baffling) issue previously here.

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:iconspongebobfossilpants:
And now we have "Averaptora", which is only making things worse.
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:iconalbertonykus:
Yep, I feel like Averaptora was such a pointless clade to coin considering it's really the same thing as Avialae.
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:iconhybodus:
What about the TV show called "Dinosaur revolution"? If I remember right it was quite clearly stated in that show that birds are just one type of dinosaur.
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:iconalbertonykus:
It did. I didn't mean to imply that all dinosaur media make this mistake. (There are a number that don't.)
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:iconhybodus:
I know what you mean. It would really be good if the general public would recognize the thing that birds are dinosaurs and that mammals are therapsids. Anyway I think that it would make how evolution works more understandable to people...
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:iconvrahno:
This issue has deeper running roots. Not only birds, other animal groups need updated "definitions" as well. Even most schoolbooks still use the outdated classifications, so it's no wonder you tend to run into people that still believe the old notion that dinosaur=reptile=cold-blooded, thus dumb and slow and covered in scales. And while some do mention that birds have dinosaurian ancestors, they treat them as a wholly different group. Kids should be taught the latest science.
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:iconalbertonykus:
You have my full agreement. There's certainly a similar problem with other groups such as humans being apes, tetrapods being lobe-finned fish, or snakes being lizards.
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:iconvrahno:
Though what might be the solution? Have some highly respected and famous individual make a world-wide TV broadcast declaring "People of Earth: birds are dinosaurs. Deal with it!"?

Either that, or update the schoolbooks. Since most people don't do much biology-related research beyond what they need to finish school, they usually hold onto the most recent bit of information they had been exposed to, which in their case is either school textbooks or the info their parents give them. But even if they read other scientific books or browse the internet in their free-time (or better yet, if their relatives are paleo-experts), what are the chances their introduction to birds would be that they are dinosaurs?
If kids were taught the latest facts/theories from the beginning, then they would know better from the start, and wouldn't need to be taught/convinced later on about these things.

Though I myself haven't checked what the schoolbooks on biology state lately, so maybe they have been updated while I wasn't looking...
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:iconalbertonykus:
Very good points. That must be the reason why everyone can accept whales and bats as mammals but not birds as dinosaurs. For what it's worth, my high school biology textbook mentions birds as being of dinosaurian origin, and I think it says that "some scientists think" birds are living dinosaurs. There's also a short bit (one page) on cladistics. Could be worse, but certainly not good enough. Such wishy-washy going-around-the-issue stuff must be a huge contributor to the problem. The TV broadcast doesn't sound like a bad idea... In fact, there's already one show out there that educates young children that birds are theropod dinosaurs, Dinosaur Train! I really like how direct they are, too. No beating around the bush, no clutter, just "Hey, you have three-toed feet! Are you a theropod?" "Yes, I am!"
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